Why do forms have no counter? - Guild Wars Forums

Saphrium · Apr 13, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

It is the only thing that no one has any counter whatsoever.
Is there a reason for that? Is there going to be a counter for it?

Edit: I know elite shut-down, blackout and interrupt works, but I mean something that is specifically for anti form.

Deleet · Apr 13, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Interupts, disabling.

DeXyre · Apr 13, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I guess just anti-form would be too narrow, and a 'skill' like endure pain doesn't have a specific counter either.

bhavv · Apr 13, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Forms are usable by one class in the game (Dervish). Others may be able to use it too, but the durations would be crap. There really isnt any need to have a specific counter that would only affect a single class, it isnt fair.

Deleet · Apr 13, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

There are only 5 skills on this type, and they are elite.. Why would one need a specific counter?

Chop it Off · Apr 13, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

they have no counter because one skill to counter "5" elites and shutdown an entire class is pretty friggin evil.

Opeth · Apr 13, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20

KILLL!!!!

Avarre · Apr 13, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21

You counter forms by countering the Dervish - in theory.

Amadeo · Apr 13, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Afaik there are other proffesions with forms too..

(Shadow Form.., Mist Form..)

VGJustice · Apr 13, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amadeo

Afaik there are other proffesions with forms too..

(Shadow Form.., Mist Form..)

True, but these are not the Avatar forms. Avatar forms can't be countered easily, where as the two you mentioned are Enchantments and can be stripped.

Tempy · Apr 13, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Get the Nerfbat ready...

Arduin · Apr 13, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Well, they are called 'godly' skills for a reason.

Surena · Apr 13, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41

Why would you want a counter when the usual counters already work? Anti-melee for instance? I'd say we rather nerf some necro hexes and their retarded long durations than demanding a counter to "forms".

prism2525 · Apr 13, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

They are counterable. Just slap loads of hexes on them like Blurred Vision, Reckless Haste, Spirit of Failure etc and they won't hit you. Or simply blind them. (if they're not using Melandru's).

For the Avatar of Dwayna it may be trickier, however it doesn't too that much awful damage so a good monk can keep its target up.

Spura · Apr 13, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

There really isnt any need to have a specific counter that would only affect a single class, it isnt fair.

I'll be sure to quote you next time someone whines about echoes or chants having no good counters.

Maximumraver · Apr 13, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Ward Against Foes > Every Avatar\Form
Crippling Aguish > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's)
Crippling Slash > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's)
Imagined Burden > Every Avatar\Form

I could go on forever...

Evilsod · Apr 13, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Exactly... you can only counter the form by countering is as you would any melee foe. Since Dwayna obviously never sees the light of PvP hexes will always work on Forms, since nobody seems to run Blind-bots anymore, Melandrus doesn't really have much protection since anti-melee hexes will still make it miss.

Any skill that could actually remove forms would be overpowered. It would completely destroy the Avatars making them utterly useless, especially in PvE.

Mordakai · Apr 13, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Not to mention, the recharge is pretty harsh.

There's a reason the mesmer shared Elite skill doesn't work on Forms.

jummeth · Apr 13, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximumraver

Ward Against Foes > Every Avatar\Form
Crippling Aguish > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's)
Crippling Slash > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's)
Imagined Burden > Every Avatar\Form

I could go on forever...

Crippling Anguish is a hex ^^

elektra_lucia · Apr 13, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Spell breaker has a counter?

Light of deliverance has no counter unless you interupt it to begin with (just like avatars).

This thread is retarded, just like my post.

Apr 13, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45	#1
Saphrium Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Granite Citadel Guild: Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants Profession: N/Me	Why do forms have no counter? It is the only thing that no one has any counter whatsoever. Is there a reason for that? Is there going to be a counter for it? Edit: I know elite shut-down, blackout and interrupt works, but I mean something that is specifically for anti form. Last edited by Saphrium; Apr 13, 2007 at 06:48 AM // 06:48..

Apr 13, 2007, 07:21 AM // 07:21	#8
Avarre Bubblegum Patrol Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore Armed Forces	You counter forms by countering the Dervish - in theory. __________________ And the heavens shall tremble.

Apr 13, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45	#2
Deleet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: Rule Thirty Four [prOn] Profession: Mo/	Interupts, disabling.

Apr 13, 2007, 06:50 AM // 06:50	#3
DeXyre Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006	I guess just anti-form would be too narrow, and a 'skill' like endure pain doesn't have a specific counter either.

Apr 13, 2007, 07:13 AM // 07:13	#4
bhavv Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2006	Forms are usable by one class in the game (Dervish). Others may be able to use it too, but the durations would be crap. There really isnt any need to have a specific counter that would only affect a single class, it isnt fair.

Apr 13, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19	#5
Deleet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: Rule Thirty Four [prOn] Profession: Mo/	There are only 5 skills on this type, and they are elite.. Why would one need a specific counter?

Apr 13, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#6
Chop it Off Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Saviors of [EviL] Profession: A/	they have no counter because one skill to counter "5" elites and shutdown an entire class is pretty friggin evil.

Apr 13, 2007, 07:20 AM // 07:20	#7
Opeth Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Portugal Guild: Dangerous Pumpkins [dP] Profession: Rt/A	KILLL!!!!

Apr 13, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39	#9
Amadeo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Belgium Guild: Mystic Spiral Profession: Mo/	Afaik there are other proffesions with forms too.. (Shadow Form.., Mist Form..)

Apr 13, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11	#11
Tempy Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Oregon Guild: DOH	Get the Nerfbat ready...

Apr 13, 2007, 09:35 AM // 09:35	#12
Arduin Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Limburgse Jagers [LJ] Profession: R/	Well, they are called 'godly' skills for a reason.

Apr 13, 2007, 09:41 AM // 09:41	#13
Surena Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007 Profession: N/Me	Why would you want a counter when the usual counters already work? Anti-melee for instance? I'd say we rather nerf some necro hexes and their retarded long durations than demanding a counter to "forms".

Apr 13, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26	#14
prism2525 Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Among dead bodies. Guild: The Republic of Sky Pirates Profession: E/	They are counterable. Just slap loads of hexes on them like Blurred Vision, Reckless Haste, Spirit of Failure etc and they won't hit you. Or simply blind them. (if they're not using Melandru's). For the Avatar of Dwayna it may be trickier, however it doesn't too that much awful damage so a good monk can keep its target up.

Apr 13, 2007, 11:32 AM // 11:32	#16
Maximumraver Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Twisted Revenge [TR] Profession: E/	Ward Against Foes > Every Avatar\Form Crippling Aguish > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's) Crippling Slash > Every Avatar\Form (Except Melandru's) Imagined Burden > Every Avatar\Form I could go on forever...

Apr 13, 2007, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#17
Evilsod Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]	Exactly... you can only counter the form by countering is as you would any melee foe. Since Dwayna obviously never sees the light of PvP hexes will always work on Forms, since nobody seems to run Blind-bots anymore, Melandrus doesn't really have much protection since anti-melee hexes will still make it miss. Any skill that could actually remove forms would be overpowered. It would completely destroy the Avatars making them utterly useless, especially in PvE.

Apr 13, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40	#18
Mordakai Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kyhlo Profession: W/	Not to mention, the recharge is pretty harsh. There's a reason the mesmer shared Elite skill doesn't work on Forms.

Apr 13, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45	#20
elektra_lucia Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: England Guild: Leteci is [sexy] Profession: Mo/	Spell breaker has a counter? Light of deliverance has no counter unless you interupt it to begin with (just like avatars). This thread is retarded, just like my post.